I think Dean is the baby daddy...

[AustralianBabe]

Originally Posted by mikelovessam

As I have said numerous times before. The reason so many people believe Ben is Deans son is because they liked the interaction between the two characters. If Ben had been a bad actor not as many people would claim to believe he was Deans son. There were no loose ends in the episode Lisa made it very clear that he wasn't Bens father. Why do people all of a sudden start thinking people are lying because they aren't hearing what they wanted to hear. A lot of people who watched the episode wanted Ben to be Deans son. But when Lisa told him the truth,now people want to claim she may have been lying. Same can be said for Ruby, Ellen,Jo or any other character on the show. They couldn't have been who they claimed to be,but people believed them. What was so unbelievable about Lisa that people want to make up stories so it can seem that Ben actually is his?

Thank You So Much.........

[deanschicagirl]

Originally Posted by ordencodex

Actually, yeah. I read them back in...June? And decided that it'd be a really interesting plot twist. It's a show about family, Dean's got a year to live, Sam's got the whole anti-Christ thing to deal with, and suddenly there's this little boy? Dean clearly has a way with children, and clearly really likes them. I really wanted to see how he would react to Ben as his son or as a potential son. And I thought it'd be interesting to see how that affected the plot. Would Dean stay on the road? Check back in? Would it impede Sam's efforts to save Dean? Would it cheer Dean up and make him want to fight for more than a year? Would it bring him down to see what he's going to be leaving behind? How would Sam react to being an uncle? To being thrown back into the domestic sphere, and to seeing Dean as a father, as sort of having that dream he'd been living with Jess before she died?
I'm in it for the family drama, baby! Ben being Dean's would've thrown so many wrenches into the machine, I would've loved to see what it churned out.

So there really is no logical reason why you think that Ben may be Deans. From what I've read it's more ifs and maybe's.So can you give me some concrete facts why you think ben is absolutely Deans?

[ordencodex]

Originally Posted by mikelovessam

As I have said numerous times before. The reason so many people believe Ben is Deans son is because they liked the interaction between the two characters. If Ben had been a bad actor not as many people would claim to believe he was Deans son. There were no loose ends in the episode Lisa made it very clear that he wasn't Bens father. Why do people all of a sudden start thinking people are lying because they aren't hearing what they wanted to hear. A lot of people who watched the episode wanted Ben to be Deans son. But when Lisa told him the truth,now people want to claim she may have been lying. Same can be said for Ruby, Ellen,Jo or any other character on the show. They couldn't have been who they claimed to be,but people believed them. What was so unbelievable about Lisa that people want to make up stories so it can seem that Ben actually is his?

I absolutely refuse to repeat what I have already said in this thread. If you want answers to these questions (the same ones deanschicagirl has been asking), go back and read them.

As for wanting him to be Dean's son because he's a good actor, EHHHH WRONG. I just commented on the fact that I read the spoilers back in June and immediately liked the idea of Dean being confronted with having a kid. They hadn't even cast Ben yet. It had nothing to do with the actor (though you're right -- he was good). It had everything to do with what it would bring to the show and do to the plot and the characters.

So I'd thank you not to generalise and say that this is what we're all thinking. And even beyond that, I'd rather you didn't make assumptions about what's going on in our heads when you've never seen inside them.

[MasterofPuppets]

Originally Posted by deanschicagirl

So there really is no logical reason why you think that Ben may be Deans. From what I've read it's more ifs and maybe's.So can you give me some concrete facts why you think ben is absolutely Deans?

Look, unless we all get Ben a DNA test we're not going ot know. And, oh snap, it's fiction. All anyone has is theories right now.

So, unless we get a dna test for Ben. Or, for deanschicagirl's sake, a lie detector test for Lisa... we will never know unless they address it in the show. Right now, that's just left to speculation.

All we're offering here are theories. You can't prove your theory absolutely and neither can anyone else.

[Supernatralfan]

Originally Posted by deanschicagirl

So there really is no logical reason why you think that Ben may be Deans. From what I've read it's more ifs and maybe's.So can you give me some concrete facts why you think ben is absolutely Deans?

Idk why I'm bothering to come in on this insanity, but why do you care what other people think? It's only what you think that matters, so why bother to keep fighting about it? Everyone can have their own opinion and you claim you don't care, but clearly you do. I don't see how both sides going in circles will solve anything. If your name isn't Kripke, then how can you say one way or the other?

[ordencodex]

Originally Posted by deanschicagirl

So there really is no logical reason why you think that Ben may be Deans. From what I've read it's more ifs and maybe's.So can you give me some concrete facts why you think ben is absolutely Deans?

...are you for real? I just went into speaking in hypothetical form because you kept getting uppity about us using definitive language, and because you mentioned future episodes. Since I'm not psychic and I'm not a writer for the show, I can only speculate. The same goes for you.

If you want my logical reasons and concrete facts, why don't you go back and reread the thread? The lot of us arguing on the side of "he could be Dean's" have repeatedly presented our points very clearly. It is not our fault if you did not understand them or have forgotten them in the course of our discussion, or have simply chosen to pretend that we never presented them in the first place.

[mikelovessam]

Originally Posted by ordencodex

I absolutely refuse to repeat what I have already said in this thread. If you want answers to these questions (the same ones deanschicagirl has been asking), go back and read them.

As for wanting him to be Dean's son because he's a good actor, EHHHH WRONG. I just commented on the fact that I read the spoilers back in June and immediately liked the idea of Dean being confronted with having a kid. They hadn't even cast Ben yet. It had nothing to do with the actor (though you're right -- he was good). It had everything to do with what it would bring to the show and do to the plot and the characters.

So I'd thank you not to generalise and say that this is what we're all thinking. And even beyond that, I'd rather you didn't make assumptions about what's going on in our heads when you've never seen inside them.

Did I say you personally.No I didn't. And you can't deny the fact that people liked the interaction between Ben and Dean. People have even claimed that they didn't want the kid to be his at first and that they were sure it wasn't his. Hell deanschicagirl even did a poll on it. It was when the episode aired people starting saying ''AWWW!! Isn't it soo cute how Dean wanted to be Bens dad. AWWW I wish he was Bens dad.'' Then all of a sudden people started coming up with ways to make it seem that Ben was really Deans son,just to fit their own wants. Not actually taking the facts that are given to them and realizing it's true.

[ordencodex]

Originally Posted by MasterofPuppets

Look, unless we all get Ben a DNA test we're not going ot know. And, oh snap, it's fiction. All anyone has is theories right now.

So, unless we get a dna test for Ben. Or, for deanschicagirl's sake, a lie detector test for Lisa... we will never know unless they address it in the show. Right now, that's just left to speculation.

All we're offering here are theories. You can't prove your theory absolutely and neither can anyone else.

THANK YOU. <3 That's what I've been trying to say for like...two pages now. >.<

Idk why I'm bothering to come in on this insanity, but why do you care what other people think? It's only what you think that matters, so why bother to keep fighting about it? Everyone can have their own opinion and you claim you don't care, but clearly you do. I don't see how both sides going in circles will solve anything. If your name isn't Kripke, then how can you say one way or the other?

Personally, I like the discussion. I'm a debater. I know what I think, and it's not going to change, but I like hearing what others think and seeing how my points stand up against theirs.
As for going in circles and being Kripke, I just made three comments along that same vein because they were asking me to repeat everything I'd just said and accused me of speaking hypothetically. *flop*

[mikelovessam]

Originally Posted by ordencodex

...are you for real? I just went into speaking in hypothetical form because you kept getting uppity about us using definitive language, and because you mentioned future episodes. Since I'm not psychic and I'm not a writer for the show, I can only speculate. The same goes for you.

If you want my logical reasons and concrete facts, why don't you go back and reread the thread? The lot of us arguing on the side of "he could be Dean's" have repeatedly presented our points very clearly. It is not our fault if you did not understand them or have forgotten them in the course of our discussion, or have simply chosen to pretend that we never presented them in the first place.

I think chica meant concrete details where it shows that Ben is his son. No where in the thread does it really show that. They are mostly assumptions and guesses. No real facts of what actually happened.

[ordencodex]

Originally Posted by mikelovessam

I think chica meant concrete details where it shows that Ben is his son. No where in the thread does it really show that. They are mostly assumptions and guesses. No real facts of what actually happened.

And aside from Lisa's word, what concrete proof do we have that he's not?